The day after the craziness was all over and the police had finished up and gone, the body was gone and everyone was kinda trying to figure out what to do next, the homeowner took stock of the surroundings in the room where he had shot the intruder. Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing I also carry the Ruger LC9 as a backup. They're comparable. with two shots in the heart from a 40 S&W. The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . The 9mm features some interesting advantages. I hope this helps. doubled in sizeand since .45 ACP is bigger to start with, it became massive in the end. I'm positive it was a hydro shock because of the distinctive shape of the bullet. I have shot drywall and 2 inch plywood and have gotten little penetration from 5 yds with a Smith and Wesson 645. white box Winchester was the ammo.. It comes from the shooter. This really is a science, but I benefited from reading a lot before I purchased, whereas my son didn't. In the debate of 9mm vs 45ACP, I choose 357 magnum and 10mm. Sorry I mis-spelled your name Katherine. Although higher velocity projectiles always generate more kinetic energy they clearly do not produce deeper penetration, and when the velocities reach the levels common to today's magnums, the increases in velocity result in significantly reduced penetration. If you come into my home, they're carrying what's left out in a bag. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what Calibre has very little to do with it. Need more.? Ive been doing this for 40 years. Any high penetration rounds for handguns beyond fmj are usually considered as "armor piercing" and therefore illegal in the us. Fragmentation occurs reliably in high-velocity projectile wounds (impact velocity in excess of 2,000 feet per second) inflicted by soft or hollow point bullets. You never know what you can walk into or what might bust in your door. I started my handgun experience as a .40 cal guy. If you want knock down power take up boxing . You end up with the same energy as a .223/5.56 but with less risk of over penetration , which is great for a situation like home defense when you cant always know whats on the other side of the wall. Of course, 10mm which has less mass than .45 ACP still has more energy than the other calibers because its a relatively fast bullet and it's heavy, but it's not as fast as .357 SIG but it penetrates significantly more. Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. However, theres always something to be said for having really big bullets ready to deal with really big problems. Most shootouts are long range. Muzzle Velocity. They cant handle the recoil of a .45 or .308 bcuz many times the 1st time they ever fired a weapon is after joining the military. Let me know in the comments below! Muscle memory combined with good ole fashion "practice makes perfect" will allow you to drop a man in one shot and it won't matter what you grab in the night! I had thousands .45 230 grains hardball and some +Ps hallow points with my standard 1911 when I tested my friend's full size 9mm. However the 9mm is much faster. He now carries a S&W M&P Shield like mine, or a Glock 19. The G30 is my EDC, the G36 is in my car's glove compartment. More penetration does not mean more deadly. For instance, Hornady uses a 24 barrel to test and record muzzle velocities for their 223 ammo. Hornady.com Ammunition Handgun 9mm Luger 115 gr FTX Critical Defense . That federal gun control laws are hard to come by because of all of the above. In the state I live in my CCW allows me to hide a gun, and carry, almost every where. Lets take a look at the selling points of each one to help you decide. An official website of the United States government, Department of Justice. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". ERIC! http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm.php The muzzle is the end of a gun's barrel. There are benefits for every caliber but one thing is for sure a bigger hole yields more blood loss quicker . guns & The marines and FBI went to the 9 so women could qualify because only 1 in 10 can with a 45. though they cant come out and say so. Yonder Maybe 45 has a bigger physical wound channel (Ill leave hydrostatic shock out of it, though the high speed footage of it in ballistics gel is compelling) and 9mm can go through a few extra boards so it evens out. So, get training. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. It appears to me, however that when comparing calibers in terms of penetration, the opposite is true. 9mm: FMJ (Military Classic) 115: 389: 1234: 9mm: FMJ: 115: 338: 1150 . That is literally the definition of subsonic : below a certain speed ( the speed of sound). I pushed a wire into the hole to see how far it penetrated. Because according to BBTI, out of 10 different 9mm rounds tested, only one round, the Cor Bon 115 gr JHP +P, managed to make 500 foot lb in a 6" barrel. Youll hear a lot of people say that the .45 is better because it shoots a bigger caliber bullet, or that the 9mm is better because of its capacity. Also keep in mind that the study, and their recommendation, was based off of the assumption that they were going to be equipping thousands of people with the new weapons. Hi Catherine. Look, ultimately both rounds have very similar energy. One hit with a larger caliber is more debilitating than a smaller one. Measurements are the opposite of vague . On these metrics, the rounds are generall equal. It appears that overall, the optimal barrel length for 9mm (for something like an AR-15 pistol build, SBR, or similar setup), is about 7 to 8 inches for maximum efficiency and handling, though going longer can still have benefits. "ANY GUN will do!! I totally agree with the author. My highest capacity 45 is my home defense weapon. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. If not, you may shot again but not before. back in 1971, couple years ago! It stops would be's and penetration is a non issue. If worried about an encounter with bears, I'd take nothing less than 357 Mag. This is where accuracy matters. With boxes of 9mm Luger rounds being 30% to 40% cheaper than .45 ACP ammo, increased range time isnt going to break your budget. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. with your statement 9mm has less recoil. With that said I can control the amount of muzzle rise on my .45's much better than a 9mm. Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. I believe you can make darn near any caliber and pistol you have just as flexible as the next caliber. I really hope you were joking with your statement. I shoot one shot with a 45 and the muzzle blast brings the barrel up sometimes cocked sideways some making it slow and difficult getting the gun back on target. Killing the BODY "in this world" is MORE than Sufficient. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. If you are using ap rounds in a home defense scenario and your shot goes through a wall and hits your neighbor, good luck justifying it in court. Of course they would have already wiped us out so that's not really an issue. I carried the 45 in VN and I had to use it. What if you can't deploy your firearm in time? Its maximum pressure is 36,500 psi, which is four percent higher than SAAMIs spec for the more common 9mm Luger. As you might imagine, muzzle velocity varies quite widely depending on the type of gun you are shooting. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! The 2 main reasons for the switch was 1. cost 2. ammunition since all our NATO allies use the 9. Large naval guns will have high length-to-diameter ratios, ranging between 38:1 to 50:1. So I agree with having both. This should bring a target down. So you can literally grab, draw, aim and shoot. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Loved the part about the advancements in ammunition. Muzzle Energy: 369 lb/ft (230gr at 850FPS) 304 lb/ft (124gr at 1050FPS) . You are so lucky Benjamin. I might possibly be able to shoot 9mm slightly faster but I seem to have consistently better first shot accuracy with .40 S&W and 45 ACP. So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. So that's another reason why you should get yourself a subnose. Great article. Good show! The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the most heated conversations in the firearms community. Expecially a HEAD, NECK or double tap CHEST shot!! They want a 210 or better the 1st time through and then you get back to work. Any cal will work depending on shot placement. I know better than that. I know pros miss under stress. I don't own a .45 (except a Pietta .45 Long Colt cowboy gun I target shoot in the mountains- I love it), but my son does have a couple of 1911's which he loves and says they are fairly easy to conceal carry. Now I am a range officer and shoot concealed carry and IDPA style matches regularly. Which is why spec ops and the FBI still have 45 acp in their arsenals. Not just that - recent events with riots and looting shown total ineffectiveness of 9mm round as a defensive round, I like your comment,it make sense,so i will get bigger gun. As a civilian I doubt the I will need an ammo dump under my gun to defend my life. The campground lot got sold. They need to check the real world outcomes. It didnt take much to convince me. Learn the 3 most popular shooting stances & more. Additionally, the length of the barrel used in testing can have a major impact in the results. American manufacture and the American firearms industry was able to restock and resupply them when no one else could have. Myself I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! Based on tests of 12 hollowpoints, the 9mm pistol and the 9mm carbine produced the same average estimated wound ballistics. Great article but I would personally reconsider the Youre welcome, Europe. poster, considering that most Brits could argue that we managed a total of four years of your fighting for you (but certainly not intending to denigrate the US contribution, or to get into the Roosevelt v Congress debate) so this could appear a little insensitive. Rounds were fired over an Oehler 35P chronograph at a distance of five feet from the muzzle. (Pew Pew Eric) Keep the awesome info coming, I love your emails and love your site! This first is 9mm Trajectory vs .40 S&W Trajectory and the second is the Muzzle Velocity differences between the different barrel lengths when shooting the same standard ammunition. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. This far Left, anti-gun rights organization slants and grossly misrepresents events by omitting vital information from their "articles" and adding bald faced lies. Second, our judges demand, that each shot has to be beforethought = you can shoot perp once and then you have to evaluate, if he stoped his attack. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. Yes, 45ACP with defensive loads and .40 S&W with defensive loads do more terminal damage than 9mm with defensive loads. .380 ACP, 9mm, and .40 S&W are all within the margin of error, but .357 SIG, .45 ACP, and .44 Magnum are not, and they are all heavier and/or faster on average. I went to work on the Police Dept. 9mm &357 same caliber but 357 alot more propellant. The comfort level of a a Colt Lightweight Commander is on par with anything out there, and that design is older than any of us still alive. is go to a range and try both. People tend to practice more with a weapon they are comfortable with. Not ever. I guess a lot has to do with comfort of us & quality of placement. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. Typically, a 9mm gun muzzle velocity ranges between 950 and 1150 fps depending on the bullet load and grain of the round. Perhaps favoring the .45? Departments around the country, in their never ending effort to do more with less, dont allow for practice hardly at all anymore. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. I have no idea how this compares with the 9mm. Thats half an in bigger then the 9mm? These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. But in real life the first .45 causes a stun strong enough to slow the aggressor, the second may bring him to his knees. I know the adrenaline dump and freeze response. Practice, practice, practice. The __qca cookie is associated with Quantcast. They need a lot more practice. Examination of real life police video reveal that a two shot "threat over" situation is far more probable with the .45 over the 9mm. Muzzle Velocity and Down-Range Velocity Underwood ammo shows muzzle energy of 600-725 range for the 10mm and 1074-1125+ for 41. No body needs "A" gun, with so many needs there is no one gun that is practical, thus it should be said, no one needs "A" gun, you need many. Wound channels identical, higher capacity, better follow-up, more platforms to choose from, cheaper to shoot plus . chicks dig guys who carry 9mm. My advice is practice, practice, practice!! The .357 SIG Liberty does it with its rifle like speeds dumping its energy immediately on target and making temporary wound cavity matter. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. The average penetration is as follows: .380 ACP (14.9"), 9mm (17.1"), .40 S&W (17.9"), .357 SIG (18.0"), .45 ACP (18.1"), and 10mm (18.9"). Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: I have a 10mm I use with handloads for pig hunting. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. He pulled out a 9mm round and a 45 acp round and held them both in his hand. By the time my dad made it to Korea he was already an experienced shooter. Best thing to do before buying, in my opinion, Heavier bullets have more momentum at the same velocity as a lighter bullet. At the time of this writing, there are several good duty holsters for the 4 inch, but almost none for the 5. Not a Leo no need to shoot at distance or through material. Thats where the .357 SIG comes into play. Pulling up graph for 223 one sees energy increasing almost linearly with barrel length up 18 where the graph ends. You think that you can outshoot a cop? 1100 fps . Lusting after a 20 from which to shoot green tips. While there are a number of compact .45 ACP models on the market, as a general rule, you can expect the 9mm to be more comfortable to carry in a holster. I live in less free country, I still can carry my pistol, but EU wants to limit my magazines (blah blah blah). So I have 9s by SIG, Beretta, H&K, and Walther. I realize these instances are rare but one things for sure i can cut a target in half with rapid shots so easily with a 1022 because of zero recoil i think i could shoot 4 rounds to 1 outta my 45. I'd rather have a .22 short revo than just my index finger. :), Here's an old lady's take on it: the best gun/caliber is what YOU shoot best. Less recoil , good penetration, good follow up for stopping a robber etc. Lots of bullets. That's a big difference, and could be the difference between a heart shot and a lung shot. As far as the exact affects for self defense reasons? Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). . The knock down power of the .45 is undeniable, but again, the speed and capacity along with the availability and price of the 9 makes all the difference to me. At Self-Defense ranges for a pistol, 50 fps will provide no positives or negatives. Most situations are going to involve you protecting/defending yourself with others in the background. a G43 to an AR15 fight. A ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will not know the difference between a 9mm & a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a DOUBLE TAP to the CHEST!! Because out of all my handguns, this is the one I'm most accurate with. Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm easier to use. And, if you are really concerned about penetration on hard targets, then you should probably be carrying a magnum or the .357 SIG or 10mm rounds, not a 9x19mm or .45 ACP. The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. He obviously said that the 9 will penetrate better then the .45 thats why the military adopted it and left the .45 in the past. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. The average 9mm hollowpoint increased in energy by just 50 foot-pounds. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. As for the freeze, it's what happens in a situation where the best outcome is you going to the hospital. I'm still on the fence about it though. Well the most elite special forces still use 45 acp, is it because it is better? Not always which round is bigger, faster, more powerful!!!! My 45ACP at 12 rounds was well on the way to chewing it apart. A lie of omission or a good-natured lie is still misinforming people. Knock down power is quantifiable by the Taylor Knock Down Index. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. A 9mm fires . 332. . Josh thank you for this. Feel free to cite your real world experience that you keep vaguely referring to. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. For me the recoil is like a BB gun but has a similar down range damage as a 9mm. Even the FBI has phased out the .40 S&W in favor of the 9mm. Advancements in modern defensive ammo technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years. black powder compared to 22, or maybe Im just 45 spoiled! Obviously, the increased velocity will impact terminal ballistic performance. I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. But the .45 Auto does not have the power you are claiming it has. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen - 2. I notice that most articles talking up the 9mm always compares the newest and best 9mm to the old slow fmj .45, not taking into account that there are now .45 with lighter projectiles and higher speeds that far and away leave the 9mm in the dust. Both are valid points and very understandable reasons to prefer one over the other. the us army knew that in ww1 when they adopted the john browning designed 1911 springfield after extensive testing of both. What is the best Hollow Points for a Glock 19? The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. It's simple and I know the answer, velocity and follow up shots. I have shot many things living and not w both calibers and i have to say that 45acp does noticeably more damage. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. towards your level. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. I am not sure if i would like to be hit by one 45 acp or 4 high velocity hollow point 22's ( honestly i can say neither but i do not disagree just throwing my 2 cents in it is all about shot control and placement. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. It is simulated human tissue that will show hydrostatic shock, penetration, and expansion . People call the UK weak and passive but in reality nobody NEEDS guns here. I don't rely on the bullet (nor the sound of racking the gun, nor the sound of explosion to scare the intruder away). its a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if youre set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. But, had I not experienced it, I never would have believed it would happen to me. So, if you consider 10 rounds of 45ACP sufficient, then, definitely, the choice would be the Glock 30. Luger designed his original 9mm to be lethal at 50 meters. Center mass Shot placement. yeahyou say the 9mm bullet has gotten better, but in reality both have gotten better. At the end of the day though, a bigger bullet is theoretically better. The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. ", 9, 38, 40, 10, 45..they ALL have advantages..I think NONE have a disadvantage. And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. No way could I tell you whats right for you. My EDC is a Glock G30 and I have two Home Defense weapons, a Glock G21SF and a .300 Blackout AR 15. Youtube - Track the views of embedded videos. The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. Sure enough, it is certainly more destructive from what I've seen. Nurses in some states and in some situations and doctors are the only ones that can. Research the World War I live cow test called the "ThompsonLaGarde Tests". But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. As one coroner I heard from said, he's never seen a .357 Magnum leave a body and he's never seen a .44 Magnum stay in one. 100% agree. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). The only advantage the mode 59 has is the rear sight to adjustable for both windage and elevation . That is some nice expansion from the 9mm ammo. Every time. As a civilian I shouldnt find myself in a situation in the street to have to shoot into cars and where I live by code all exterior walls are concrete. When it happens your mind will likely go blank. If you are special forces and you've resorted to using your pistol something has gone wrong. Would it be possible to get the raw test data? I like the reasoning that .45 might be less likely to over-penetrate walls at home, but does it really make that much difference between a 9mm and .45 at home? Compared to the pistol, the average carbine-fired hollowpoint produced slightly less penetration and had a slightly smaller recovered diameter. I have found in my many years and many hundreds of thousands of rounds spent that longer barrels arent always more accurate or faster given a set of loads or controls. No one in their right mind willingly chooses to use FMJs in a pistol or rifle for self-defense. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. And, once you get below 9 rounds in the weapon, bullet effectiveness becomes much more important. I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. Velocity: 1,181 ft/s. I really admire the professional comments that was written. With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. I compete with them all. The downside of a Glock is that it is a Glock. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. At 75 yards (225 ft) you talking about the round arriving a mere .5 seconds faster. I don't think the debate will ever be answered. Momentum equals mass times velocity. Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. 230 grain .45 +p at 950fps is moving at least as fast as the 9mm subsonic 147 grain round. My .380 S&W Bodyguard is so small, I'm considering getting a slightly larger .380 with a longer barrel for backup. Your statement is factually in error. A group of people tried that, and he killed them all, I think he killed three men with a .22 rifle. i have used them on Coyotes and have seen the damage they are quite impressive. Working with a custom 7mm Remington Magnum and 175-grain Nosler AccuBonds, I found wonderful accuracyonly to find that the muzzle velocity was slightly more than 2,500 fps instead of the 2,925 fps it should have generated. You DO have to have the spray handy though. Some has been published here and I am working on other barrel length projects. Why would a European war require Brits to fight for the U. S. We helped you with your war, you didnt help us with our war. Loading 41 mag to pussycat loads could bring it down to cross over with the 10. In a 6 feet or less fire fight, if I have not subdued my attacker in 7 rounds. Loss of speed is tied to a concept of ballistic coefficient,. Shotguns, rifles, pistolshe's been collecting them all for over a decade. You need fewer rounds to do the job so you dont get excessive force charge , so that rules out the capacity as being a decision factor in the debate . Then again, if penetration through a bedroom door, heavy jacket, glass, etc your .45 won't make it to the target, so much to think about! Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. Even if you think size > capacity or more bullets is better, you have to admit having bigger bulletsand having more bullets on tap are both worthy considerations when choosing one gun over the other. Few gun owners will say that there is too much muzzle velocity, but there is one potential disadvantage: more recoil. We see this repeated in other products. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. of energy at the muzzle. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. Fast enough to hit your target and put it down. The faster bullet will move an artery out of the way where a slower bullet like .45 will take the artery out . Its good advice and have fun digging. Because of this drop in speed, a bullet, even if placed on target, may not have the energy and momentum to perform effectively. So .45 is the guarantee to punch big holes, with 9 you have to have the right conditions. Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. I agree Patrick. On the other OTH, if you're proficient with either the 9mm or 45 AUTO, then, go with it. If anything, it's the opposite. There is no perfect handgun, life always has compromises. RIFLE BALLISTICS. I would have to say that for me I am more accurate with a .45 acp then a 9mm but that may be because the 1911 is a better fit for me and feels better balanced then a polymer 9mm. Retract head from tuchus. They couldn't even handle 40 S&Was. Can you do that under stress? Besides, small guns can be easily supplemented with an extra mag or two or a back-up gun. BS! Really? I used to carry 9mm and I switched to an XDS 3.3 chambered in 45 ACP. You cite physics you don't understand and claim that your opinion is fact. 1 or 2 rounds will do and move on as the 9mm is still emptying the clip on the first target. = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. Same debates have raged on Betamax vs VHS, mustang vs camaro, HD-DVD vs Bluray, etc etc. Fast-burning powder in pistol ammo loses push after about 7-10 inches and drag can slow the bullet down. 9mm is not close. .308. Now this is just me you pointed out several factors for both weapons and I agree it's to ones mind set on which weapon feels right in your hand. Many shooters like to have the .45 ACP for home defense. ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. I love Eric's articles. 230gr X 800fps = 184000 or PF of 184. I think rather than going to the 9mm to mask the underlying problem, they should put $$$ into teaching cops how to shoot.. "Subsonic is slow for a bullet" lol. Next, speed of follow-up shots doesn't come from the caliber. Also, the barrel length and quality of the propellant significantly affects the speed of the bullet. The object then becomes to stop your adversary from firing bullets at you. I don't know-seek advice. I'm sure this was a terrible feeling for him. This stands in contrast to the results from my .45 ACP test, which was relatively unaffected. This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. Kinetic energy. Its essentially a 9mm magnum. This is not exactly scientific. I'm sure he had to have some counseling, but he did his job and survived. But thats still a bit of a long shot for a sidearm in a firefight. Do your research. Less 'intent' to kill when LEO show up to take your statement and you're less likely to injure a family member 3 rooms away! I see you thanked Sig Sauer and Black Hills at the bottom, but no results for either in the spread sheet and none for Sig in the graph. Sight to adjustable for both windage and elevation something to be said for having really big bullets ready deal. Practice longer and more often not before powder compared to the results from my.45 ACP for home defense,. Category `` other encounter with bears, I 'd take nothing less than 357.. When take action time arrives a S & was terminal ballistic performance an artery of. 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