[31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Dear David, I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Not on Amazon it aint! Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. It is quite shocking. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. By the way I got your recommended book. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. But to me that is clear what it is. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. as there are with me. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Will you not come and revive us? Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Simply not true. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. If not why do you feel in a position to judge? He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Paragraph. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. I will always call that out, and I refuse to be intimidated or bullied by those who just cry foul or moan about not being nice. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. . point taken). He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Is this success? I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. I can write the e-mails. Firstly in the teaching. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). Really? And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. Can I suggest a little more humility? 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. It just looks weird. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. by RELEVANT. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. Fox News Flash top headlines are here. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. You are just exporting your own. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. Excellent post David. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Because he is a pastor? Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. End of Discussion. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. ", "What is dispensationalism? 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